Not sure if it is Levi's making the 505s so poorly or the manufacturer buying second-hand Levi's'' and selling them to the public, but there is something wrong with them. Either way, the quality is not what I had in the past or expected. That means I will explore non-Levi's jeans in the future after being an exclusive Levi's customer. Anyone have any suggestions for better jeans than Levi's that are reliable, won't stretch out or wear out quickly? the past or expected. User's recommendation: Research and try on your Levi's before buying.