I ordered camp shirts awhile back, and the fit and look had changed drastically... for the worse! Then, just recently, I figured I couldn't go wrong with the shorts... man was I wrong. Tightened, the pants were still 3 inches wider than they were supposed to be.... none of this stuff used to happen with TB.. I could order online with confidence. Now I don't dare. The only thing that is the same is the high prices they charge. It was well worth it before. Now I think i could do better just about anywhere else. I'm giving up on them! (It seems I need a few more words for this to reach the minimum required. Hope that does it.)