Placed an order on 4-15-18, A group of 8. When I got them a few were 1/2 dead. Within a few days I lost 2. Placed another order on the 19th for 2 more. After another fiasco went to another website to order. They weren't much better either. You end up with fish that won't grow and /or they don't last. I'm 58 and have kept fish since 1971, so I'm no novice. I recommend, find a dealer near your home and pick them up. I live in a small town and I drive 2-3 hours to get to a store of my liking.